Optimism In the Face of Defeat

By: Neil | November 30th, 2008

Inter 2 Napoli 1
Originally this blog was going to be titled ‘Napoli lost this game as soon as Reja filled out the lineup card’ but an unusual series of events has caused me to change perspective.

Actually, there was just one event – at about the 35th minute, with Inter leading 2-0, my wireless internet connection disappeared, and I wasn’t able to watch the rest of the game. The part of the game that I did see confirmed my worst fears. Reja gave starts to Aronica, Rinaudo, and Pazienza over better and more established players. Napoli came out cautious and allowed Inter to take the initiative. Inter was playing with panache and took a comfortable two goal lead thanks to some clinical finishes from swashbuckling link up play. As the second half was going on without me, I was imagining worst case scenarios where Inter was piling on the goals, trying to get as many names on the scoresheet as possible. But none of that happend. Napoli countered with their own candidate for goal of the season, and the game ended 2-1.

I have no idea what happend in the second half, and if anyone who did see the whole game wants to leave a quick report, please do so. But when I finally got to another computer and checked the final score, I was pleasantly surprised. Napoli, playing with three players who clearly aren’t starters, didn’t collapse after going down 2-0 on the road to one of the best teams in Europe. Another good omen came when I checked the standings. Napoli was still in fourth – Fiorentina, Lazio, Udinese and Genoa all failed, with only Genoa picking up a point. Even though Napoli lost, nothing really negative came out of the game, other than Reja’s player selections. And the substitution of Hamsik. But Napoli fans should be used to that by now, in fact we should come to expect nothing else.

The bottom line is that we’re in fourth place with the following teams ahead on the schedule: Siena, Lecce, Torino, Catania, and Torino. Three of those teams are currently in the bottom five, and there’s no reason to believe that Napoli will be overtaken for 4th when the first half of the schedule is complete. In fact, if Milan or Juve slip up, Napoli could even rise a position. And it’s unfair to suggest that Napoli is slumping. Even though we’ve won only once in the past five league games, two of those game were against Milan and Inter, who are always tricky opponents. And if you look at three of those games – Milan, Atalanta, and Cagliari – Napoli was denied by late goals, which is a combination of bad luck and lapses in concentration.

Moving forward, Pierpaolo Marino has reaffirmed the Europa League as the target for next season. And here’s the best part: it’s almost impossible for Reja to manage any worse than he has the past month or so. Even if Reja keeps making mistakes in preparation, selection, tactics, and substitutions, it won’t cost Napoli any more than it already has. Against Inter the team proved that it can compete game in game out without proper coaching. Based on the first fourteen weeks, Napoli should improve on last season’s 8th place finish, and I believe there’s still a chance for the Champions League, although both Fiorentina and Roma are playing much better than at the beginning of the season.

Here are the post game interviews from Reja: Channel 4, and goal.com

And the highlights, featuring three sensational goals:

And finally, the Napoli player ratings, and the goal.com ratings.

Next up is a home game against Siena, who are overachieving yet again with a 12th place position in the table. For those of you who wanted to see Calaio get a start last season, you’ll have to wait even longer: he’s not starting with Siena either. And people were blaming Reja for letting his talents go to waste.



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  • Gigi |  December 2nd, 2008 at 6:50 am

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    Napoli needs and experienced striker this January…CRESPO. He is desperate for 1st team football and an excellent finisher..he would make a devastating pair with Lavezzi!!

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  • Neil |  December 2nd, 2008 at 8:19 am

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    I hadn’t thought about Crespo, but he actually makes sense as a partner for Lavezzi. The only thing is would Napoli be able to afford him?

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  • Vincent |  December 2nd, 2008 at 11:14 pm

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    If Inter pay some of his wages maybe. BUT, he is 33 and I would rather look at a younger alternative. I have always liked Crespo however and maybe he could help out for a season and a half or so

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  • Johonna |  December 3rd, 2008 at 1:20 am

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    Dont take this the wrong way, but I think Napoli are too far up the chart for Inter to loan them players and pay some of his (rather large) wages. Crespo refused an offer from Real Madrid (so the rumor goes) because he didn’t wanted more than a 6 month contract. Of course, part of that could also be because he did not want to leave Italy (he is a naturalized citizen and married to an Italian). The question is, would the draw of playing for an Italian team outweigh his misgivings around taking a sort-term contract.

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  • Johonna |  December 3rd, 2008 at 1:21 am

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    Erm… That should read: because he wanted more than a 6-month contract.

    I have no idea where that “didn’t” came from.

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  • Tri |  December 3rd, 2008 at 10:51 am

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    Is the curva of Napoli left or right?

    And how do you guys like the city… is it like the overall opinion states.. dirty filled with corruption?

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  • alessandro d'agostino |  December 3rd, 2008 at 10:58 am

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    napoli is definitely an acquired taste. if my mama wasnt napolitano i dont know if i would like it as much but i imagine it can be intimidating but i live there for a year and as long as you take it for what it is it you can have an amazing time. its crazy and full of life but yes it is dirty and corrupt from the street up but what large city isnt corrupt in the world?! i go there all the time to see my uncle and its a great place to visit

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  • Tri |  December 3rd, 2008 at 11:01 am

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    what is the normal life every week like? if you go to work, is it very probable that your boss has connections with the mafia? what is the night life like? any expensive and high-class restaurants and stuff? i know theres 2 expensive and nice hotels..

    well at least in italy, less corrupt cities that are big include milano, roma, torino, etc.. and from the world munchen, london, paris, barcelona, madrid, hamburg, etc

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  • alessandro d'agostino |  December 3rd, 2008 at 1:02 pm

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    roma is one of the most corrupt! its home of the vatican! and milano! london, paris are full of crooked politicians and organised crime! its different levels of corruption. but napoli is bad because the camorra is huge its like a corporation and its everywhere and they dont care they will get at anyone. not everyone is connected but if you live there long enough you know whos in or works with them. in the poor areas its in plain sight but everyone knows alot of napoli officials are connected because they grow up with the hoodlums. day to day life is just like in any other large city can be dangerous but it all depends on the areas you go. hundreds of amazing restaurants

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  • alessandro d'agostino |  December 3rd, 2008 at 1:06 pm

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    dont be put of by horror stories napoli is the real italia! palermo is still better though. getting back to the football for next season napoli should bring in ciro ferrara as coach and then buy criscito, akinfeev and quagliarella (who scored again tonight) and then we have a super team!

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  • Neil |  December 3rd, 2008 at 3:25 pm

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    Thanks Alessandro for your report on day to day life in Napoli.

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  • alessandro d'agostino |  December 3rd, 2008 at 4:17 pm

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    one word to describe it….mental! never a dull day!

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  • Tri |  December 4th, 2008 at 1:43 am

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    Is it so that overall the city can affect who Napoli could sign? For example, lets say a Roman team and Napoli had equivalent amount of money and they were after for instance Samuel Eto’o, would he rather sign for the Roman team or Napoli? In addition, both teams are both in the champions league…

    I doubt that if a foreigner moved to Napoli he could not work in a high position unless having connections with the mafia, right? How is the Italian government trying to solve the situation with cosa nostra & camorra? Did they get the garbage out ? (which in fact is put into areas close to houses, which let out toxic and cause diseases to the people). Lega Nord is one way how the mafia’s power would somewhat decrease, but I doubt it will ever gain the majority in the parliament..

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  • alessandro d'agostino |  December 4th, 2008 at 6:45 am

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    i would say that today most players would choose roma because it is the capital and is an amazing place to live. but because of maradona alot of south americans would choose napoli and playing at the san paolo is said to be unbelievable. you would definitely brush up against the camorra at some point in any job in napoli, it would be hard to get a job high up but it depends what industry your in. in sicilia they have hit mafioso hard not least because they arrested, bernardo “binnu u tratturi” provenzano, who was the boss of everything but there is always someone waiting to step in. and they arrest other top mafioso and government officials and even the mayor! im not so sure about the camorra because its so big and more brutal but im sure they are trying to crack it. i think they have sorted out the garbage problem they sent alot of it to germany but that problem was all because of the camorra as well they are horrible. as for lega nord they are facists and if they had there way they would chop the south of italia off from roma down and watch us drift away. this is why napoli is the way it is the north hates everyone south of roma

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  • Tri |  December 4th, 2008 at 11:31 am

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    but the north dont hate roma right? it would be good if italy could balance out, so that the south wouldnt be so poor filled with corruption.. one of the busiest ports in europe in naples has thousands of cases with illicit trading… what has the EU done to help the situation? this has all led to the milanese and juventus to dominate the serie a for ages…

    how does de laurentiis manage with napoli? does he hate the north? why is it that people from naples hate northern people and even people from roma? do romans hate people from napoli? is it true that some people (who?) blame as roma for having albino and napolitean background.. where does this all originate from?

    how do the foreign players of napoli and other southern teams manage living in cities with mafia and poverty? are there actual cases when foreigners have said that they dont want to transfer to a southern italian team because of the area?

    taking my previous example between rome and naples, how about the same case with all factors equal except city standards, what would the player chose? between torino-rome and firenze-roma.. also bergamo-firenze and bergamo-torino? how about catania-naples and palermo-naples?

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  • alessandro d'agostino |  December 4th, 2008 at 12:07 pm

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    the north has always dominated calcio because thats where all the money is all the companies, industries etc so that is where the power is and they just view the south as farmers. roma is central italia but if it wasnt the capital then the north would despise them as much as everyone else.

    de laurentiis is an excellent chairman i think and hes from torre annunziata which is near napoli and is full of camorra although its very nice and overlooks the bay, but it is full of murder and drugs so noone visits. so if he is napoletano from a place like that i imagine he will hate the north especially roma. napoletano hate people in the north because they look down there noses at them escpecially napoli because they are quite close, but they also look down on siciliani and calabrese and the rest. and romani hate just about everybody they are very rude people. what do you mean by albino?
    as for foriegn players living in cities with mafia apparently maradona used to party with all the camorra and do cocaine with them. like all gangsters they like to meet players and party and for players i think its like a novelty and a bit dangerous! i think some players have not moved down south because of the crime/area, but they would never say it especially in the media. but now people are saying it would be an honour to play for napoli as they are a huge team. players have had to move from palermo elsewhere because of the mafia, youth players whose coach had connections and tried to raise there transfer fees to get a cut. and apparently they are trying to get zamparini to use a certain contracter for the new stadio in palermo so they can skim off the work site/steal things and general mafioso things!

    as for living in different cities i think its more down to how well the team is doing and how much money they can give you and what project they have in place. but if you refer to torino as playing for juve then most players would go there. firenze is one of the nicest places in italia so that could be a factor and noone would choose catania because it is merda!

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  • Tri |  December 5th, 2008 at 3:50 am

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    actually, i mean that ive heard some people refer to as roma’s background as to be gypsies or something like that, and ive also heard that the teams background also originates from the south, of less educated ppl etc, i hope you understand..

    lazio traditionally is a team over the upper-classes right, as they were born in the district of parioli in rome..

    well living in different cities, i meant that if all the cities’ teams i mentioned were equivalent, which one would a high-class player choose? would you expect xavi for example to go to naples, palermo, bergamo, rome, firenze (in what order) if all teams were on the same line..

    yes ive heard catania is crap.. however arent messina and reggio calabria even worse? i wonder how zenga got pablo ledesma, carboni, dica and others to move to catania..

    i also heard that some mafiosos offered to buy palermo but zamparini wouldnt sell as he insisted that palermo is a clean club.. and once i also heard that was it lotito who was selling the club (lazio) to camorra?

    right that the mafia was almost wiped out during the 1930s under mussolini and a lot moved to usa, but after the americans came the mafia rose back to power.. however lots of bosses have been caught as many people dont obey the omertà anymore.. however i do not if the mafia will ever diminish to something small that it wouldnt affect italy’s economy and politics..

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  • Tri |  December 5th, 2008 at 5:56 am

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    and how come romans are rude? i havent encountered such..

    and how do romans treat napoliteans? do they dislike them too? i guess milanese and people from piemonte dont like southern people..

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  • alessandro d'agostino |  December 5th, 2008 at 8:44 am

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    i understand what you say now i think you mean roma gypsies which are actually romanian but have dug in near alot of larg italiano cities and in napoli locals actually attacked the gypsy camps and burnt them down! as roma was set up by mussolini when a few teams in the city merged but it used to be a left wing club and all the fans were from the south of the city so the majority were working class. most people who actually live in the walls of roma support roma and most lazio fans just live in that region or above the vatican.

    for foriegn players roma would be the first choice because they are a well established club and mainly because its the capital. then maybe napoli because its so famous the team and city, then firenze and palermo or bergamo depends which team.

    players moved to catania because of walter zenga sort of like players moving to sunderland because of the late roy keane.
    the mafia have tried to extort pretty much everything in palermo i think they used to thats why we were always merda, but zampa doesnt take merda from anyone and he wouldnt let the mafia in.they sent our old sporting director a goats head once or something like that. and yes i dont know the full details but the camorra tried to buy lazio which is suprising because napoli and lazio hate eachother but if theres money to be made….

    as for mussolini nearly wiping out the mafia your right he just rounded people up and killed them and the mafia was contacted by lucky luciano i think it was to assist the allies landing in sicilia and he watched the docks in new york or something. the mafia will never go away because it is everyday life in sicilia and campania and so long as there is money to be made there will be mafioso and it will always affect italia.

    there is saying when in roma do as the romani do yes? thats because they dont really care about anthing other than roma. they have perfected the art of ‘nonmifreghismo’ which means “not giving a damn”. this is especially for tourists who most romani just ignore but there is a massive problem with immigration as it is changing roma for the worse in my opinion. as for romani and napoletani they hate eachother because they are rivals and napoli blames roma for all the bad things which happen and romani dont care what happens to napoli which has come to a head over the rubbish crisis. and the romani just think everyone south of roma are farmers as do the rest of italia

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  • Tri |  December 5th, 2008 at 11:34 am

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    its funny how the majority thinks that everyone south of roma are farmers, as isnt it so that the actual farming industry is better in the north as the land is better, land in the south is too dry..

    take an example, so your saying that for example david villa is moving to italy to play for a team, he can choose between napoli, palermo, 2 roman teams, firenze and bergamo.. he would most likely go to rome, if we exclude rome then he would go to napoli? how come.. because i bet that many players who are european would rather choose to live in safer areas, such as bergamo and firenze.. i bet when sven-göran eriksson coached at lazio if he got even a higher wage at napoli or palermo he would not have gone? however i know there have been swedish players before in napoli..

    have you ever been to parma, bologna, udine, lecce or bergamo? if you have, could you describe what kind of cities are they and are they nice places to live? what kinds of stuff is there..

    so lets get this straight. napoletani hate everyone in the north + romans, romans hate everyone and people from piemonte and liguria hate everyone in the south from rome? how about emilia-romagna and toscana?

    could you say about politics in italy? northern italy is di destra? emilia-romagna and toscana is di sinistra? rome and lazio is di destra (extrema?), how about napoli and the rest of southern italy?

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  • alessandro d'agostino |  December 5th, 2008 at 12:57 pm

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    its because it isnt as built up maybe. as for living in safe areas it is only the really poor areas that are dangerous in any city for a footballer to live in the amount of money they make they will live in huge houses in the suburbs. and if they play for a team noone from that city would do anything apart from mob them! i havent been to any of those places apart from bergamo but i was young. ive heard they are noting special just typical italiano towns so they will be nice and quiet.

    its no so much about hating but its like any country you have a north-south or east-west divide and it probably goes back to when things were more territorial. and of course they are economic rivals and roma are with milano so there is a disliking between them as well.

    in short i think the north are facists, the centre of italia and southern regions are communist and siciliani want more autonomy because the romani dont care about anyone but the romani so they hand out law and legislation for everyone but wont do it themselves. politics is very important in italia but i think its a load of merda and politicians are greedy selfish dogs that are destroying the world! hope you arent a politician or anything but they are horrible in italia! why so interested in italia are you wanting to move?

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  • alessandro d'agostino |  December 5th, 2008 at 12:59 pm

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    and by facist and communist i mean right wing and left wing they wont be extreme but thats how talk about them. although you do have extreme communists and facists in italia

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  • Peter Mennella |  December 6th, 2008 at 8:54 am

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    I think Argentinians, in particular Italo-Argentinians, seem to like to play for Napoli because of their immigrant roots. Obviously, Maradona has a lot to do with it, but I think Oriundi with Southern Italian roots aren’t afraid to come to the South. Maybe their parents/granparents have told them stories of growing up in Southern Italy. Plus, the South seems to really welcome them, e.g., Maradona, Lavezzi (although it doesn’t hurt to be great like those two). I’ve travelled Italy from Piedmont to Sicily and I must say that my two favorite places are Naples and Palermo (actually, Catania isn’t all that bad, but yes, Alessio, it isn’t for everyone!). Non sono proprio Napuletano–my roots are Salernitano (Ricigliano), Calabrese (Castrolibero, prov. di Cosenza), and Amasanese (Amaseno, prov. di Frosinone). But for me Naples represents the South (Capital of the Kingdom of the two Sicilies) against the North that hates all Southerners. For many Southern Italian immigrants Naples was the last place in Italy they saw upon embarking on the “travesata” or crossing to America. So I am a Napoli tifoso for life. You’re right about the Northern disdain for the South. My last trip to Italy four years ago, I spent 10 days in Sicily. The taxi driver who took me to Palermo’s airport for my trip back to the US had a picture of Padre Pio on his sun visor. I commented to him that I knew Padre Pio had a lot of devotees in the South, particularly among the Calabrese, e.g., my gradmother, but I didn’t know that he was popular in Sicily. The cabbie assured me that Padre Pio was popular in Sicily, too, and removed the saint’s picture from the sun visor and gave it to me as a memento of my Sicilian holiday. Then in Rome for my connecting flight back to Chicago, I asked an airport employee for some assistance finding my way around the Airport. Noting that I appeared to be of obvious Italian heritage, but obviously American too, she asked me if I were in Rome vising Relatives. I told her, no, that I had just come in from Palermo and was getting my connecting flight in Rome back to Chicago. She then asked me if I were of Sicilian origin and I told her, no, that I was a mix of several Southern areas but primarily Calabrese and Campanian. She said “It’s the same thing as Sicilian.” But you should have seen the look of disdain on her face and heard the tone of disgust in her voice as she said it!
    I’ve never been treated better in Italy than I was by the people in Naples and Palermo. Sorry for such a long reply but I don’t comment on the blog very often. Just want to explain why I’m a Napule fan. Forza tutti i meridionali nel mondo! Forza Napoli! Napule per sempre!

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  • Neil |  December 6th, 2008 at 11:05 am

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    Great story Peter. Thanks for sharing your background and details from your last trip to Italy.

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  • Tri |  December 6th, 2008 at 2:44 pm

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    Its easy when you have roots from Southern Italy.. I guess myself, who is from Scandinavia, adjusting to Southern Italy would be difficult. I was in Napoli & Palermo last summer, I thought it was a great experience, especially the traffic was nuts but also fun… its exquisite and I guess that kind of transition from the normal mundane life is great..

    I took the train from Napoli to Rome and I must admit that the difference is great. In Napoli, theres a hell lot of beggars and you can just sense the corruption.. around 2 hours later at Termini in Rome it was like a completely new world..

    Dunno why my previous long post to Alessandro didnt show up.. lets see if it works now:

    i am very interested in italy and i would love to move there one day.. working in milano, living by the lakes or then living in parioli/prati and working in rome… i doubt i will ever live in napoli or other southern areas as i would have to deal with mafiosos.. but anyway italy is a very interesting and beautiful country, tourism has not spoiled italy that much compared to for example spain (maybe rimini though) and the food and architecture is great… amo l’italia..

    i know that emilia-romagna and toscana (especially the first one) are sinistra, as for example the first communist party was formed in livorno.. i hear rome is almost extreme right, lots of somewhat fascism there.. for example i heard when some guy (mayor?) came lots of people were waiting for him with roman salutes.. many people also have celtic badges… lega nord is also extreme right, i’ve heard umberto bossi is somewhat racist.. i wonder why the curva of atalanta is sinistra even though lega nord has a great support in the area of bergamo…. contradiction of ideologies.

    yeah i can guess why the south would be leftist as it would help their situation, but i doubt the mafia are too leftist as they originate from higher class oligarchy and leftist ideologies would not maximise their business..

    i hear in napoli the mafia have some much control that for example sometimes you cant drive on certain roads because the mafia close them… if you are rich you need 24/7 surveillance and bodyguards… traffic is crazy, lots of scooter drivers, no helmets even! but the promenade is beautiful in napoli… it would be great if they could get rid of the corruption and not having illegal business and therefore avoiding tax payments.. spanish quartieri must be one of the worst places in napoli or even in the whole of italy.. complete merda.. i wonder how i dunno hamsik manages living.. he has a big rich house but i bet his neighbors are mafiosos and possibly they limit his accessibility during the night time if hes driving.. but i guess overall napoli and southern italy is a unique experience, which is great.. i somewhat like a crazy life with full of life than living in a boring and quiet industrial town.. however so that it doesnt get too mental, like in cities in africa or south america..

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